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mattmc97_2
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 09:45:16 PM » |
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Interesting project at a very interesting price. My first question would be even if you can get PlugPBX running, can you run it with only 128 Megs RAM? The Sheeva has 512 Megs. I would definitely think that flashybrid (running read only) would be impossible as there is currently 192 Megs RAM allocated just that. Hardware Comparison:
Name Ethernet USB Memory Storage Processor SD slot? Other
Sheevaplug 1 GigE 1 512M 512M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz Yes
TonidoPlug 1 GigE 1 512M 512M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz No
Pogoplug "Wall-Plug" 1 GigE 1 256M 512M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz No
Pogoplug v2: "Pink" 1 GigE 4 256M 128M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz No
Seagate Dockstar 1 GigE 3 128M 256M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz No
GuruPlug Standard 1 GigE 2 512M 512M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz No Wifi-B/G, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR
GuruPlug Plus 2 GigE 2 512M 512M Marvell Sheeva 1.2Ghz MicroSD Wifi-B/G, Bluetooth 2.1+EDR, eSATA From here: http://plugboxlinux.org/index.php5?title=Portal:HardwareI read more on the plugapps.com website and it says that have developed their own version of linux called plugbox linux based on arch linux http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=Getting_Started:_PogoplugIt may be possible to get asterisk and freepbx installed, but it will probably have to be compiled from source and you will most likely have to have a USB hard drive for storage and swap. **EDIT** I went ahead and bought one, it looks like it will be fun to see what it can do. Worse case, I will use it as a samba server for home pc backups. I just wish it had the 512 Ram as it would be a very low cost way to run PlugPBX. |
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2010, 11:59:47 AM » |
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I ran Asterisk, Apache, Lighttp, samba, webconf, netatalk, etc etc all on a Linkstation Pro NAS for may years, no issues. 128 meg ram and a blistering 400mhz cpu  It can be done. No need for flashybrid if you are using physical disk storage verses flash memory. |
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2010, 05:53:23 PM » |
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I ran Asterisk, Apache, Lighttp, samba, webconf, netatalk, etc etc all on a Linkstation Pro NAS for may years, no issues. 128 meg ram and a blistering 400mhz cpu It can be done. No need for flashybrid if you are using physical disk storage verses flash memory. I believe you are right. In theory it can be done. The question is how much effort will be needed. As far as I know, plugPBX comes in form to be burned into flash memory. Can the same approach used for the DockStar? If not, where and how it should be installed? If not too complicated, I am interested to give a try as well. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2010, 06:35:11 PM » |
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I don't have a dockstar, never worked on it - therefore I'm not the right guy to ask - as I can't comment on a system I don't have exposure to. As far as PlugPBX its a no-brainer, I did all the brain-work for yee A nas should be left alone to a be a NAS. Disk failure = phone failure. No moving disks in a PlugPBX. Its $99 bucks, Set it and leave it alone. Hack the NAS instead with any other stuff you want to do besides phones. I can say all this with Wife-Experience(TM) - Taking down the phones for some 'stupid web thingie' was never a cool move, now the white box is left the hell alone, humming along at 3watts, and I monkey with other NAS devices (and SheevaPlugs) running other applications used in the household. If the DockStar is an ARM device and can run debian, once you get it setup it can be EASY to install things with apt-get commands. Take a look around at http://www.nas-central.org/ I used to spend alot of time there hacking my Buffalo LS Pro, these guys made a nice Debian install for it, still use it to this day for NAS stuff around the house. |
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2010, 06:37:06 PM » |
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If you used this device and put everything on a USB thumb drive. How long would you expect that drive to last?
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 09:54:14 PM » |
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If I use a DockStar for plugPBX, I will use it only for this purpose but not as a nas. Now the question is if I use a USB drive, will it work if I put it on the USB drive as on the microSD and simply boot the DockStar from it? Oh, Can DockStar boot from a USB drive at all?
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2010, 06:22:33 AM » |
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I don't know anything about the DockStar NAS. You'll have to research that, sorry.
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2010, 06:52:46 AM » |
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http://www.plugapps.com/index.php5?title=PlugApps:Pogoplug_SetbootIntroduction
This guide will install a second bootloader to /dev/mtd3 with USB booting enabled and tell the default factory u-Boot (/dev/mtd0) bootloader to run the new /dev/mtd3 bootloader. The new bootloader looks for a USB drive with a kernel and filesystem on it. If found, the kernel and filesystem is booted - giving you an updated kernel of your choice and any filesystem - Plugbox Linux.
If the 2nd bootloader doesn't find a USB drive with a kernel, it resets the Pogoplug and tells it to boot off of NAND flash (the default Pogoplug firmware). I ordered one on Thurs july 8th so I haven't received it yet, but I plan to install Plugbox Linux which is detailed above and then once that works without a hitch, i will most likely switch it over to debian squeeze to keep it the same platform. If running off USB instead of RAM (like what is trying to be accomplished on the plug), you will eventually kill the USB drive. So have two thumb drives ready or use a USB based external hard drive.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2010, 10:06:48 AM » |
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If running off USB instead of RAM (like what is trying to be accomplished on the plug), you will eventually kill the USB drive. So have two thumb drives ready or use a USB based external hard drive.
Why is that? (Sorry if it has been explained previously.) |
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2010, 11:24:48 AM » |
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Well it is highly contested and debatable. Here is a good article on it though. http://www.cfgear.com/how-long-does-a-flash-drive-last/The average thought on the subject is that you can only write so many times to a flash drive before it wears out. That number has been stated at 10,000 , 100,000 , & even 1,000,000 times. We have a device at work that we use that logs data to a compact flash, what they do is write the data every 3 minutes. Interesting concept, I don't know if it would be possible to do something in linux or not. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2010, 01:38:30 PM » |
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Now I understand. Thanks for your explanation . I found this article that might be relevant: http://www.rolandli.com/2010/01/14/comprehensive-guide-asterisk-freepbx-google-voice-on-dns-323. I have tried the procedure on Page 5 on a FreePBX installation using AsteriskNow to make GV work and it did. So the part unknown is if you can install FreePBX on DeskStar. I am interested in knowing your progress. Maybe I should order one to experiment myself anyway. I have an old 20GB 2.5" USB drive, which should be perfect for this purpose. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2010, 03:04:03 PM » |
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...... i will most likely switch it over to debian squeeze to keep it the same platform.
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Hi, I noticed that you have make debian work on Sleevaplug. Can you point me to the information about how to do it. I know some programming, but by training a digital communication person rather than a Linux software person, so sorry for my ignorance. Thanks in advance. |
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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2010, 03:57:45 PM » |
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Regarding my previous posting, I found that debian is officially supported on Sheevaplug so that should be it. Sorry for the confusion.
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